I absolutely agree with you. Uhh, hmmm, I guess I'll drive traffic for a bit longer to see if clicks eventually convert. Who really knows though, what the on phone conversion %s are, except the merchant. A bit more traffic, if nothing substantial starts happening to justify my time I'll end it.
Amazingly(

), both places were absolutely convinced that there programs were wonderful and when I mentioned that I could point them in the direction of new information to help their programs, both AMs said, "our programs are fine, we've had them like this for xx years, and we see no need to change them. "
Maybe this is a shrewd business move, I, however think that it is extremely myopic. Granted, they may have thousands of people pushing traffic until they stop promoting, and then the next wave takes over until they remove the links, and the cycle repeats and repeats. This could work if everyone was driving somewhat decent traffic, and every link was working, etc. But, I don't think it happens like this.
Both are excellent products, so..... maybe this non tracking really works out for them, because the affiliate figures, well, there's really nothing out there anywhere near as good as this, even if they have no tracking, it's either this or nothing. That was kind of my reasoning.
And I think this is their reasoning too. They own the space, their is no reason for them to negotiate, they don't have to. Thanks for the response.