Email

[hilopro]

I believe email is better than most method of marketing/advertising. You just have to know How. I can get my email-ad open more times than someone just trying to find your links on engines. That is saying lot! Yes I track them.

Join a free safelist for example and watch your subscription email, and you'll find real people sending email ads every hour of the day. Not all, but maybe 100 realtime ads daily.

You see, there's more to it than just sending ads. And one of the most important is to know WHEN to send. Say I'm in Hawaii (and I'am, and on say Friday, list-members from around the globe are sending ads out around, or between 3pm-8pm Hawaii time, I would then know WHEN to send my ads. Simple really. All you do is look in your subscription email-inbox and you'll see them coming in. This is every day.

My opnion.

Anyway, goodluck!

[Linda Buquet]

Sorry but does anyone really read free safelists
except the person checking their ad?

They seem very spammy and old school to me.

[hilopro]

Originally Posted by Linda Buquet

Sorry but does anyone really read free safelists
except the person checking their ad?

They seem very spammy and old school to me.

With it's script it is impossible to spam on these optin list. With exception of the list owner who would not likely want to lose his/her host, or someone who has their email imbedded on their sites.

What is new school?

FFAs, engine submissions, TEs, forums? All are old school. Only the rookie would not know any better. Are we marketing to super-affiliates? Maybe. The best 'big-dog' marketers build lists from safelists. The worst safelists are large optins. Good idea is to join free lists with a 100 list members than those with 10,000+.

Again it's How and When to use these lists.

[jcorkern]

In one of the other threads you just stated that social marketing is best. Now, Email is best. What exactly do you believe?

I will state again, There are only 2 consistant marketing programs online. One is pay per click. and the other is SEO, anything else that is consistantly effective will fall into the SEO catagory.

Email has the lowest conversion rates other than pop ups in the internet marketing business. And this is IF you have an extremely targeted list.

You would get better results with ezine marketing, and building your own list, which still pales in comparison to PPC and SEO.

This is not guesswork,

Just the facts!

[MrCat]

I respect your opinion on email marketing. But I also have a diffrent view on this. An email list that you built through your own efforts may work so long as you do it properly and without being too spammy. I do a lot of promotional campaigns that gets traffic. My best bet at getting targetted traffic is thru PPC, targetted link backs and forum sigs. This is also my opinion - everything done properly and aimed at your target audience would yield best results

[hilopro]

Originally Posted by jcorkern

In one of the other threads you just stated that social marketing is best. Now, Email is best. What exactly do you believe?

I will state again, There are only 2 consistant marketing programs online. One is pay per click. and the other is SEO, anything else that is consistantly effective will fall into the SEO catagory.

Email has the lowest conversion rates other than pop ups in the internet marketing business. And this is IF you have an extremely targeted list.

You would get better results with ezine marketing, and building your own list, which still pales in comparison to PPC and SEO.

This is not guesswork,

Just the facts!

Yes, I use both. Network to build my safelist and vice-versa. I paid a lot for ezines. Not much results. I have tried ppc with google and gave up. The price was just to much. I'll stick to cheap advertising.

Thanks for the information jcorkern!

Levi

[MrCat]

Originally Posted by hilopro

Yes, I use both. Network to build my safelist and vice-versa. I paid a lot for ezines. Not much results. I have tried ppc with google and gave up. The price was just to much. I'll stick to cheap advertising.

Thanks for the information jcorkern!

Levi

There are other PPC services there that does not charge that high. You just need to work on identifying your niche and select the market you want to cater to and start from there. Research also on the keywords your desired market would most likely be looking for. You should be more focused on getting targetted traffic than just page views. Buying targetted link backs are also effective at getting targetted traffic. Conversion really depends on what you site offers to your traffic IMO, that is why it is also very essential for PPC on market and keyword research and offering the right services or products in your site

[jcorkern]

"email-ad open more times than someone just trying to find your links on engines"


This is an assumption. it has no basis for fact at all.

If you send out 40k emails, what is you average open rate? What is your average conversion rate?

Your open rate will be less than .05% , unless you are better than Marlin Sanders and Joe Vital.

Them the conversion rate from there is also around .o5%.

So that means 200 opens. and maybe 1 sale.

With search engines with SEO, If i am in the top 5 positions, I get a 30% "open" or click rate. and the average conversion for niche is around 3 %.

You do the math.

these statistics are avalible all over the net.

SEO is not voodoo, it is a system, basic principals, and it works every time.

40 k uniques a month is not unrealistic with SEO, and it really is not that complicated. Anyone who wants to learn can. and anyone can do it. and the best part! It is FREE, that is even better than "cheap" as you put it.


Buy the way, i just checked alexa for your sites and they have no data. just one of my customers that is only 3 months into the program already has a 797,523 rating. and no paid ads... None.


My seo site has an alexa of 270,447 and this is in 4 months against other SEO's

And i know, most do not believe alexa, but i can show stats that also prove this.

Build clean links, and do proper onpage and you will reap the tidal wave of traffic that is targeted with great conversion rated


Again, if you want true success on the net. SEO is a must learn skill.

[hilopro]

Originally Posted by jcorkern

"email-ad open more times than someone just trying to find your links on engines"


This is an assumption. it has no basis for fact at all.

If you send out 40k emails, what is you average open rate? What is your average conversion rate?

Your open rate will be less than .05% , unless you are better than Marlin Sanders and Joe Vital.

Them the conversion rate from there is also around .o5%.

So that means 200 opens. and maybe 1 sale.

With search engines with SEO, If i am in the top 5 positions, I get a 30% "open" or click rate. and the average conversion for niche is around 3 %.

You do the math.

these statistics are avalible all over the net.

SEO is not voodoo, it is a system, basic principals, and it works every time.

40 k uniques a month is not unrealistic with SEO, and it really is not that complicated. Anyone who wants to learn can. and anyone can do it. and the best part! It is FREE, that is even better than "cheap" as you put it.


Buy the way, i just checked alexa for your sites and they have no data. just one of my customers that is only 3 months into the program already has a 797,523 rating. and no paid ads... None.


My seo site has an alexa of 270,447 and this is in 4 months against other SEO's

And i know, most do not believe alexa, but i can show stats that also prove this.

Build clean links, and do proper onpage and you will reap the tidal wave of traffic that is targeted with great conversion rated


Again, if you want true success on the net. SEO is a must learn skill.

hi,

"We've noticed that you are not listed in some search engines" the email begins. This is Spam that even Bill Gates receives.
Avoiding SEO Scams

More..
Make $200K+ a Year Running the SEO Scam

...or you can go to google search and type ' seo scams '


With no experience, I somehow got my sites listed on google search and all I did was submit free. I'm no pro but from what I see the, where best SEOs in google/yahoo ranking I don't see yours. But good for you and Alexa.

What I want to know is why would you want to charge someone when you yourself can't even get listed at the top of the greats google and yahoo as far as the 'top' SEOS are concerned. It's no different than paying for 'fresh' leads. Why would those people sell them when they themselves could use them. Afterall, money is the name of the game right?

Anyway, goodluck!
Levi

[jcorkern]

New York SEO Company is one phrase where i am listed in Google, and this is against other SEO's.

lafayette water damage restoration

Miami water damage restoration

Houston water damage restoration

Orlando water damage restoration

dallas water damage restoration

And the list goes on and on..Thousands of keywords for this industry. 40 k uniques a month on this one client.

Now, competing against other SEO companies with under 4 months on the site, and a top 10 in one of the epacenters of the tech industry is pretty good.

I also run a top 100 website in Alexa in Israel (was 54 last i checked)


I also have several other clients that rank just as well.


If you want to PM me, i will give one of my clients info to you, you can call and ake them yourself what kind of results i get.

How much it affects their bottom line.

I am not going to entertain you on this any more. I give facts, I will never say a word in this forum unless i am absolutly sure i know what i am talking about.

If you will notice, I do not frequent the threads unless it comes to search engines or online marketing.

The stats i gave are easy to find on the net.


The website That you are talking about is the company i work for. not mine.

less than 4 months under my control.


Next. I currently have about 90 sites under my control. My customers rank for thousansd of keywords , some just a few hundred a month, and some in excess of 1 mil page views per day. I would say that is good results. So, i do know what i am doing.

Like i said earlier. I will offer reference. But also recomend that affiliates do it theirself. and have stated this many times in the threads on this forum.



I am in this forum to help people, not gain business. I do well already. I continue to do the work because i like what i do.



and Avoiding SEO Scams has no search results through any keyword tool. Must not be a lot trying for that. This is why you did it so easy.

Plus you have some PR bleed from your links and homepage. But it is easy to build PR when you are targeting nothing.





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